What dreams may come
I don't remember my dreams. Bits and pieces float to the top sometimes, but I don't really remember anything.
Nancy at Starlight News just freaked me out this morning.
"We are standing at the Rubicon with this torture issue."
Saturday morning I woke remembering a piece of a dream. I was standing on the river bank alone. The land around the river was beige and dried out. For a long time I just stood there in silence. Eventually I became aware I was not alone and turned around to face Ceasar. Behind him was the entire Roman army.
Cross or not. It's your choice.
When I woke I thought "That was weird" and just dismissed it - until I read Nancy's essay this morning "Standing at the Rubicon".
She said to feel free to pass it on ~ so I am.
I am posting this essay from an email list I am on. I encourage everyone to read it and pass it on, especially to all Democratic Congressmen and Senators. We are standing at the Rubicon with this torture issue.
The Daily Brew
September 25, 2006
Chance of a Lifetime
I realize that the entire leftwing blogosphere is apoplectic because Democrats failed to even participate in the deal cut last Thursday allowing Bush to torture people. I don’t see why. I am probably too optimistic, but I think Rove has finally outsmarted himself.
For years Democrats (including myself) have bitched and moaned that GOP talking points fit neatly onto bumper stickers, while it takes a thirty page white paper with 200 footnotes to explain the Democratic alternative. For once, the shoe is on the other foot. The GOP has given us the opportunity to make the Republicans the Torture Party. We ought to run with it.
Every time Bush has squarely addressed the issue, he has denied that “we” torture people. That tells me two things. First, it tells me that Bush is lying. I saw the pictures from Abu Gharib. Bush is definitely in the torture business. Second, and almost as important, it tells me that the word “torture” doesn’t poll well for Rove. So if you keep calling Bush a torturer, he will have to keep denying it. So lets do it.
For Anne Coulter and Michelle Malkin, the fact that Bush is morphing into Josef Mengele is a plus, but we are not getting the pro-torture votes anyway. For all the normal folks whose sense of morality forces Bush to deny he tortures people, this debate is a gift from God.
Is there a better sound bite than “I oppose torture”? Is there an easier thing to say than “I am not going to vote for this bill. Torture is immoral. Torturing people who haven’t even been charged with a crime endangers both our troops and the American public. If we make it US policy to torture people who have done nothing wrong, based on the mere suspicion that they might know something useful, is there any doubt that foreign governments will likewise subject our troops and US citizens traveling abroad to the same treatment”?
Sure, we all know that once we start, the right wing noise machine will spring into action. But for once, we’ve got them where we want them. Out talking points are simple. Theirs are not. Just by having the debate, we win it.
The actual bill is a complicated mess. Unless you are an endowed chair at the Yale law school, good luck figuring out what it means. So when we say “Torture is wrong,” they have to say “The bill does not authorize torture. Under paragraph 3(g)(4) subsection iii, the proposed legislation clearly provides that….” Yada, yada, yada. Get the idea?
Little Suzy Swingvoter and her husband Joe the Undecided Working Guy aren’t going to listen to the whole debate, and they damn sure aren’t going to read the bill. Their impressions are going to be formed on the basis of sound bites, and in this debate, we have the better sound bites. We can make the GOP the Torture Party. All we have to do is make sure we don’t give them any bi-partisan cover, and repeatedly
force them to deny that they are torturing people. We will come out miles ahead.
If the Rove tries to debate this bill by saying that Democrats are soft on terrorism, then the GOP implicitly concedes that the bill authorizes torture, and we win; the GOP is the Torture Party. The tougher they act, the more they cement the idea that they are torturing people. On the other hand, if they try to make convoluted arguments about how much you have to harm people before it is actually considered torture, then they are dancing on the head of a pin with the devil, and the GOP is the Party of Torture with Law Degrees. The more they deny the bill authorizes torture, the more they undercut their own message that Democrats are soft on terrorism. We win both ways.
All Democrats have to do is keep making simple statements over and over. “Torture is wrong.” “Torture is Un-American.” What is the GOP going to do? Say torture is a family value? All Democrats need to do is trust that the American people will reject torture.
Maybe Digby is right. Maybe the Democrats have been “punked.” Maybe a mere six weeks from the fall election, Democrats will again take the seemingly safe route, meekly sit back, say nothing, and allow the compromise to become law. McCain will get to play the Republican rebel maverick, who did the moral thing and looked out for the troops. Bush will get to play the Republican statesman and leader, who showed that he is committed to protecting Americans but that he is willing to listen and compromise, and Democrats will look like ciphers who don’t have the stones to even say a word when the most important moral issue confronting the government is being debated.
On the other hand, maybe pigs will fly, and the Democrats will finally get smart. Maybe Harry Ried and Nancy Pelosi will realize that when it comes to torture, good policy, good morals, and good politics all converge. Maybe Democrats will stand up for the idea that torture is wrong, and hang this atrocity around the necks of the entire Republican party like a burning tire.
Of course, if they don’t, then I don’t really care what happens. For me, we reach the Rubicon this week. Any political party that won’t stand up and be counted against torture is not a party that I want to be associated with, regardless of how evil the alternative. I think opposing torture is a political winner. But even if I am wrong, and standing up against torture will cost the Democrats the majority, then
SO BE IT, they should do it anyway.
Anyone in Congress who isn’t willing to risk their seat to oppose torture I don’t want in power regardless of what party they are in. If a Democrat doesn’t have the courage to do the right thing on an issue this basic and fundamental, then they are a coward who is unworthy of their seat. We should make any Democrat who gives the GOP bipartisan cover for this abomination the “Joe Lieberman” of every future election they enter. If they aren’t smart enough to see that doing the right thing here is a long term political winner for the party, even if they are worried it might cost them their job in the short run, then they are more committed to their own power than our principles, and to hell with them.
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9 comments:
WOW! That is a lot to ponder...what struck me the most was the atute observation that the GOP are masters of dumbing it down.
Instead of coming across as overthinking an issue and being wishy washy they blurt out a bie size piece of 'whatever' and it sticks to the wall.
It is hard to imagine McCain NOT being President someday... he appears to be the defacto choice of the silent moderate majority..
who can argue about the dues that he has paid...*segue into torture
As for torture issue...it is time to actually cross the rubicon.
clear as mud...OK,
The Dems aren't comfortable painting the GOP as the torture party because it isn't very PC...hard to be tough when you are stuck with being so inclusive.
I say McCain seems reasonable because 'the rest of us'see him as a misplaced person in the GOP.
I still do not know where the American public is at in terms of the war on terrorism/errorism...polls are so deceitful and manipuilated.
Even though Iraq looks like Viet Nam (from up here anyway)nobody in the world expects the Rovian Regulated Republicans to confess to their sins and apologise to the world...and who is the great apostle to lead the Dems out of the dessert....
Unlike us Canucks, Americans for the most part are tagged with having a bewildering sense of 'do no wrong' patriotism that can be tapped into when necessary.
There still seems to be enough 911 'badwill' to tap into despite the disastrous mistakes undertaken by the White House..or am I wrong about that?
Now your country is borrowing $3B a day because of the foreign policy nightmare that Bush has secured, probably for generations to come...
you would think that the jig is up..
you tell me..
the rest of the world is DYING to know.
sorry for being so longwinded..switchin' to decaf for the rest of the day...
No problem with being long winded :)
They have been very good at dumbing down the message, I agree. That goes all the way back to Reagan's campaign in the 80's. What US citizens have never recognized is that these messages never really say anything - they're like fat-free cheesecake - looks like cheesecake but there's nothing there.
One of the few good things about most of the Dems is that, no, they're not really very good at the mudslinging. Snotty comebacks on occassion, but they really can't bring on the slugfest the way the Republicans can.
McCain's caving on the torture issue should finish him in US politics. The man endured 6 years of torture yet he signs onto the Preznit's plans? Oy! But it won't and the jackass will run in 2008 for President. I hope he gets tarred and feathered in the polls.
As of right now there is no Democrat to lead the US into the promised land of rational spending, reinstatement of the Constitution, ending this hideous, illegal, war in Iraq. No one. We are screwed. Bush has committed half a dozen impeachable offenses and he gets away with it and I cannot, for the life of me, understand how or why.
You're night, the jig should be up. Should have been up four years ago. Whomever comes into office in 2008 is going to have nightmare scenario to deal with, not all that different than FDR's.
I fear that most Americans don't care if the government uses torture.
I don't want to believe that GayProf. I think the message hasn't reached them
Maybe I'm a dreamer.
But, as the original author pointed out "...that GOP talking points fit neatly onto bumper stickers".
Now there is an alternative, provided to the rest of us by the Republicans themselves:
Just Say No to Torture
The word torture in a red circle with a line through it
We Do Not Torture
Whatever. I'm not (really not) saying Americans are dumb, but we've been dumbed down to only comprehending information that can be filter through 30 seconds soundbites. No matter how many intelligent books and white papers others write, you just can't beyond the fact that we now think in snippets.
So, let's turn the tables on the Republicans - using their own strategy against them.
New rules need to be written to change the stats quo. And I need send off more yet emails to MoveOn and the DNC and press this point home.
Not that they listen or even bother responding anymore.
What's the definition of insanity again?
I think the gayprof is right..torture = payback...
especially now in the post 911 arena.
When extracting 'involuntary' information from 'non-americans' who are finally getting a 'taste of their own medicine' most American citizens would say 'whatever!'
Hello Laura and all,
Hope you don't mind if I "jump the soapbox." The time has come to hold everyone's feet to the fire...
Why do religious leaders and followers so often participate in and support blatant evil?
The time is long past to stop focusing on symptoms and myriad details and finally seek lasting solutions. Until we address the core causes of the millennia of struggle and suffering that have bedeviled humanity, these repeating cycles of evil will never end.
History is replete with examples of religious leaders and followers advocating, supporting, and participating in blatant evil. Regardless of attempts to shift or deny blame, history clearly records the widespread crimes of Christianity. Whether we're talking about the abominations of the Inquisition, Crusades, the greed and genocide of colonizers, slavery in the Americas, or the Bush administration's recent deeds and results, Christianity has always spawned great evil. The deeds of many Muslims and the state of Israel are also prime examples.
The paradox of adherents who speak of peace and good deeds contrasted with leaders and willing cohorts knowingly using religion for evil keeps the cycle of violence spinning through time. Why does religion seem to represent good while always serving as a constant source of deception, conflict, and the chosen tool of great deceivers? The answer is simple. The combination of faith and religion is a strong delusion purposely designed to affect one's ability to reason clearly. Regardless of the current pope's duplicitous talk about reason, faith and religion are the opposite of truth, wisdom, and justice and completely incompatible with logic.
Religion, like politics and money, creates a spiritual, conceptual, and karmic endless loop. By their very nature, they always create opponents and losers which leads to a never ending cycle of losers striving to become winners again, ad infinitum. This purposeful logic trap always creates myriad sources of conflict and injustice, regardless of often-stated ideals, which are always diluted by ignorance and delusion. The only way to stop the cycle is to convert or kill off all opponents or to end the systems and concepts that drive it.
Think it through, would the Creator of all knowledge and wisdom insist that you remain ignorant by simply believing what you have been told by obviously duplicitous religious founders and leaders? Would a compassionate Creator want you to participate in a system that guarantees injustice and suffering to your fellow souls? Isn’t it far more likely that religion is a tool of greedy men seeking to profit from the ignorance of followers and the strife it constantly foments? When you mix religion with the equally destructive delusions of money and politics, injustice, chaos, and the profits they generate are guaranteed.
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Have to agree with the Gay Prof and Homo Escapeons: No poll to back me up, but torture doesn't trouble most Americans. Not even the prospect of our troops being tortured in retaliation. As when they're killed, the public just says, "They signed up, didn't they?"
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